Bottle … Enjoy your rest and try not to turn into a cockroach. I hope she won’t mind me using a few of them, and will accept my thanks. However, as I explained in Part II, it was actually preceded by the Parfum de Toilette which is what Guerlain originally named its eau de parfums. anywhere from 1948 to 1978, and quite possibly beyond. You might be interested to see that there is currently a bottle for sale on e-Bay that claims to be a “Cristal Nancy” 2oz. As. I dislike spray application intensely ... this smells more like Obsession without the skank, than Shalimar. Wow, it’s not there. It’s also a little confusing to look at the “stamp stickers” on the bottles that are definitely Avion. THANKS SO MUCH! Just wondering as in the oakland, this bottle … No decent seller could or should possibly refuse such a simple, reasonable, and easy request that involves nothing more than them getting out a ruler to measure their item from top to bottom. Photo & bottles: my own. And I’m still not sure of the latter! Dear Andre, you and Elena are fantastic, a truly invaluable resource to the entire perfume community. LOL. The plastic top may indicate a 1990s-onwards eau de toilette, but without a photo or more information on the bottle and concentration, I can’t venture a guess sight unseen. Amazingly all contained perfume and all smelled splendid! It’s a lot of information, and I remember how overwhelmed I was at first when starting to learn all the technical details. This method of treating or cutting the glass was a newer thing because, previously, the letters on the base were etched in acid. Look at the two boxes up above and how they differ from 1960s Marly/Baccarat ones that I own. Check details on bottle and box to know the exact date. Photo: Basenotes member, nmdragonfire. But it’s certainly nothing that would be apparent to the naked eye. None of the Baccarat information on her list comes with a date. Vintage Shalimar, 4.2 oz Baccarat bottle, perhaps 1960s or 1970s. (The Pochet et du Courval ones had an “HP” stamp on their base, but I don’t know if acid was used. I don’t know for sure that this is a hard and fast rule, but I for all the bottles I could definitely date by stamp sticker or box design, I found no counter-examples in my searching. 90” bottle), the wording from 1925 to the mid-1980s had only one word on it: “SHALIMAR“. Thank you very much for your comments. You really should give the old Shalimar montre (watch) bottle cologne a try at some point, since it can often be had quite reasonably and if only for the knowledge . The tiny bottle of Emeraude is a proper vintage version maybe around 1930-1940s. The chances don’t come around often. Or what if there are no box photos, no packaging information, and zero information on the age of the bottle? I’ll talk more about that much later in the section on “Bottles Stems & Base Markings,” but here is a photo for now, showing a Saint Gobain bottle on the left with its stubby, squat stem and base. , Yes that’s absolutely right. They didn’t know what they had and, often, didn’t seem to care much about it. The latter triggered a sort of madness and obsession in me over the last few months, and ignited a degree of passion that few fragrances — vintage or otherwise — have matched in last 20 years, not even other forms of vintage Shalimar. Nataly. If the goal is to get the richest, darkest, and oldest juice, you need to train your eye but the basic gist of things in this part can be summed up as: WORKING BACKWARDS — FIGURING OUT SIZE AND/OR DATES VIA HEIGHT MEASUREMENTS: What happens if you find a bottle with a narrow stem and solo “Shalimar” label, but you can’t tell anything else about it? Trying to date vintage Shalimar and navigating eBay to find a bottle of the version that you prefer might seem, at first glance, to be an exhausting, frustrating, and complicated ordeal. Keep an open mind about everything that you see on eBay — from bottle photos to what the boxes may look like or the sellers who don’t seem to know what they’re talking about. In addition, the design suddenly looks more elaborate, and the location of the horse stamp has dropped closer towards the middle of the lid. The stamp on all the “bat” bottles that I own or have seen on eBay look nothing like that. I can’t wait until my Marly box and bottle arrive!!! The second type is a black leather pouch. Mine has a sticker that is monochrome with only Arabic numerals (although the only indication that I have that mine is Avion is the white “wrist-band” and I don’t know if that is a reliable indicator). But information is both power and money saved, and once you get the hang of the basics, I think you’ll be whipping through eBay in no time. Sounds wonderful, Reddtx. In the case of your bottle, perhaps such a sticker fell off so that someone resorted to hand scratching in the words, either as a reminder to separate the bottle from the real thing or as a warning to future buyers. — but I was specifically looking for something to try to replicate the scent of my mother’s 1950s Marly one. Gleeden.com, an extramarital dating website, quizzes men and women on their favourite perfume The website found common favourites among 1,000 men and 1,000 women Women tends to … Shalimar War bottle, 1938-1945. It’s not dense and not syrupy as molasses like my mother’s (the juice in mine is very liquidy in concentration), but the colour… my word! Plus, I dislike the extra citrusy, brisk, clean, and light freshness that is typical of the cologne style, and I’ve read that the Shalimar one is very “refreshing” indeed. If a seller doesn’t know what he has, he may well list it as regular, basic “Shalimar” with all the other modern ones. Either way, I like your style, Guy. I don’t know. May your fabled eBay luck continue to hold strong. Thank you, Andre. There is a market for factices so if you think of selling it I would suggest going in that direction. Stick to the summaries or synopses at the end of the post as an initial starting-off point because they would probably be easier. It’s the squiggly mark to the far right and it is not acid-etched, but that may be solely because bottles from the 1960s were not subject to that method of glass markings in general. And the Guerlain Perfumes blog makes no mention of a Marly horse design on any parfum bottle, either.). GUERLAIN Shalimar Souffle de Parfum: rated 3 out of 5 on MakeupAlley. I took a chance and bought it because it was a reasonable price considering the bottle is half full. (A basic article on vintage Shalimar by The Perfume Magazine says the same thing.). The latter's daughter, Jade, redesigned the Shalimar bottle only last year. Thank you for the kind words on the reviews, but also for the link. After looking at numerous bottles from various decades for both Shalimar and other Guerlain fragrances, I have a few thoughts and impressions but, in all candour, I don’t know how accurate they are. Note the label on font reads "Parfum SHALIMAR guerlain 15ml 68% vol". I am dead sure is not a Gobain bat; it looks more like Pourchal and is just over 3 inches. It has the Baccarat etching and a pg etched on the bottom w/ red & blue sticker. For the most part, when it comes to the very old bottles of vintage Shalimar, one is basically using deductive reasoning to draw imprecise inferences and conclusions from wholly circumstantial evidence. Also, the caveat — “and quite possibly beyond” — is one that I’ve added myself because the 1978 dates given by the blog seems to refer, I think, merely to when Guerlain changed its official measurement from cc/ml/oz to just ml/oz. I want to emphasize that I’m not an expert on dating Shalimar bottles, but I’ll go over the basics and the factors that I personally use or look at when trying to decide which bottle to buy. lol. Even in the seller’s poor quality eBay photos, it looked extremely dark. So dating a jug of vintage Shalimar can have a generous effect. SHALIMAR PARFUM – RARE OR LIMITED EDITION – THE “AVION” BOTTLE: One of the rarest types of Shalimar in the “bat” or “urn” bottle design was something called the “avion” or “Presentation Avion” bottle which was launched for a short time in 1960 on Air France flights from Paris to New York. (Click on photo to expand in new window in full size.). We all survived this monster post and the Shalimar marathon! Andre. (That said, I don’t have perfect vision to begin with, LOL!). I’ll be re-reading them from now until the end of time. Too much turkey. She is famous for Kiss and Tell Conquest of John Terry. Below is another image of a vintage Saint Gobain bottle, circa 1981-1986, that I found on eBay. The perfume in this box is mine and has batch codes for 1976. Vintage Guerlain Shalimar Perfume Paris 1/2 Oz. Do you like the scent of the one you bought? Anything “post-zigzag” or post-1967 seems to have a thicker black border whose width is noticeably Uneven around the label. I’ve never seen any “bat” bottle that bears the mark of either company manufacturing. As I write this I am holding my Marly Horse box in my left hand. I have no definitive or clear answer. The N is just missing a small o it seems, possibly faded over time? Regardless, thank you for helping Nataly with the code/catalog details and for sharing the link to the Catalog listings. Interesting! but I cannot wait to find the time to bury myself in ebay listings. xox. In fact, the best deals came from sellers who didn’t really know much about their bottles, who weren’t frequent vintage sellers, or who had rather shoddy looking photos. Baccarat crystal's beginnings date back to before the 19th century, but it was in the mid-1800s when the company expanded its … Then, later, if you want, you can delve into the detailed sections for any further information that may pop up as a factor in your searches. Whatever the reasoning or cause, I highly doubt any owner would defile a bottle of genuine, authentic perfume with a “dummy” marking unless it actually *WAS* a display/dummy bottle filled with non-perfume. I have the text part saved since the whole thing earlier this year with Monsieur Guerlain. Ah well, too late now! & England Captain. If you’re researching vintage Shalimar parfum solely in its signature bat or urn bottle, the. Some of them actually listed their bottles in the wrong section (like, regular Shalimar, not “Vintage” or “parfum”). The Perfume Shrine states that the Marly Horse editions “start[ed] from the 1930s and continu[ed] into the 1950s,” but I am firmly convinced that they lasted until much later. I don’t know how familiar you are with the travesty that is current Shalimar but I sent samples of the vintage juice in various concentrations to a perfumer friend who is a Shalimar fiend but who has never tried the old stuff. * I hope so much that your first encounter with vintage Shalimar sweeps you away. With regard to the link, attempts to pull up the photo or listing on my phone didn’t work unfortunately as it only gave me a page to set up /open an Etsy account. This must have happened within the last 24 hours, as I looked up some things yesterday night (Continental time). I think some people may have been put off by the fact that there was no glass stopper, only a cork. This practice lasted until the 1970s. From shop VintageInBloom. Thank you for all of your hard work and research! John Terry is a 40 year old British Footballer. “Dating” can be an extremely technical, arcane, and overwhelming process at first and I found it quite confusing myself when I started out, so I’m going to try to make things as simple as possible by using as many photos as possible to show the small differences between bottles. Thank you for bringing this point or possibility to my attention. I can’t wait for you to open it, because I’m sure its scent will be absolutely fantastic. The site shows that vintage Shalimar parfum came in quite a few other shapes besides the “bat.” Some I’ve never seen before. Not that I’m going to go hunting for Shalimar any time soon – she doesn’t do much for me. Is the number one destination for online dating with more relationships than any other dating or personals site. Impressive longevity, incensy, light leather, great throw. I don’t think they were pulling the information out of thin air because two of them seemed to have spent quite a bit of time researching packaging, bottle design, and bar codes. 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